@tbernard
> the main reason this never happened

That's a shame. I cite your blog post about it often. It's a rare case of a software dev blog post that's both technically and socially insightful, worded in a way that can be read and understood by almost anyone.

> using a client with a different feature set is gong to be a problem

I can see why you'd think so, but I haven't found it to be a problem in practice. You are right that it doesn't really work with 1 account.

@cassidy @Sturmflut

Curiously, @element seems to have pivoted their free client towards being more of a BBQ app. Presumably they offer more of a banquet version to enterprise users of their hosted service? Given the licensing of the Element apps, they could do that without publishing source code for it.

#chat#Matrix#Element

@tuxsec
> I'll see if I can remember to use it for rooms without threads

I use ElementX almost exclusively for 1:1 DMs, and I suspect this is the market they're pivoting to. Leaving the team chat uses cases to other outfits like Gitter;

https://blog.gitter.im/2023/02/13/gitter-has-fully-migrated-to-matrix/

... ProcessOne (eJabberD);

https://www.process-one.net/blog/matrix-gateway-setup-with-ejabberd/

... RocketChat;

https://www.rocket.chat/blog/federation-at-rocket-chat-the-shift-to-a-native-solution

... and so on.

#Matrix#Element#ElementX

Michael Downey 🧢
The Matrix.org Foundation
Michael Downey 🧢 and 1 other boosted

There's been a lot of negativity around #Matrix and #Element recently. And I (somewhat) joined in and expressed my frustration with it every now and then. Something I still appreciate around #Matrix is the fact, that they listen to (most of) the criticism and acknowledge (many of) their problems. There's a nice self-critical video addressing all of this recent criticism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyuqM7RbX5E

There's been a lot of negativity around #Matrix and #Element recently. And I (somewhat) joined in and expressed my frustration with it every now and then. Something I still appreciate around #Matrix is the fact, that they listen to (most of) the criticism and acknowledge (many of) their problems. There's a nice self-critical video addressing all of this recent criticism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyuqM7RbX5E

La Francia rende obbligatorio l’utilizzo di una sua chat di Stato. Al bando definitivamente Whatsapp e simili nella PA (Telegram e Signal), promossa invece a pieno titolo Tchap, la app di casa dedicata espressamente a tutti i dipendenti pubblici dello Stato.
L’app è costruita su #Element, un client open source che utilizza il protocollo #Matrix, anch’esso open source. Questa architettura consente la gestione sicura sia dei contenuti che dei metadati.

https://www.key4biz.it/altro-che-whatsapp-in-francia-da-settembre-per-pa-obbligatoria-lapp-francese-tchap-e-in-italia/542560/

La Francia rende obbligatorio l’utilizzo di una sua chat di Stato. Al bando definitivamente Whatsapp e simili nella PA (Telegram e Signal), promossa invece a pieno titolo Tchap, la app di casa dedicata espressamente a tutti i dipendenti pubblici dello Stato.
L’app è costruita su #Element, un client open source che utilizza il protocollo #Matrix, anch’esso open source. Questa architettura consente la gestione sicura sia dei contenuti che dei metadati.

https://www.key4biz.it/altro-che-whatsapp-in-francia-da-settembre-per-pa-obbligatoria-lapp-francese-tchap-e-in-italia/542560/

deutrino
deutrino boosted

> Between the slow performance, the increasing amount of spam, the miserable web client, and the unfinished state of Element X, the Matrix.org network is not something I am willing to continue to recommend, especially to non-technical users. Normal people are simply tolerating it to communicate with idealistic nerds like myself who insist(ed) on using it.

https://xn--gckvb8fzb.com/giving-up-on-element-and-matrixorg/

#Matrix#Element

Merci @sebsauvage.

Giving Up on Element & Matrix.org, un autre article [1] bien croustillant egalement cité dans le post original'

[1]: https://xn--gckvb8fzb.com/giving-up-on-element-and-matrixorg/

#Matrix#Element

> European governments in particular seem willing to endure all sorts of digital torture if it means reducing dependency on U.S. big tech. After all, their institutions which have failed over and over to develop own solutions, and that just “recently” (in relative terms) migrated off Windows 😜 and Internet Explorer, yet continue to use Lotus Notes and fax machines, are unlikely to be deterred by sluggish UIs or bizarre permission bugs.

#Matrix#Element

> The platform is cumbersome for newcomers and lacks user-facing features that people actually want, while simultaneously overexposing complex settings like roles, permissions, and addresses. Even overloaded platforms like Discord ultimately focus on what users want: Dumb emojis and stickers, silly color themes, and intuitive server and friend management. Matrix, by contrast, feels like it was built for compliance departments and bureaucrats, not communities.

#Matrix#Element

> Between the slow performance, the increasing amount of spam, the miserable web client, and the unfinished state of Element X, the Matrix.org network is not something I am willing to continue to recommend, especially to non-technical users. Normal people are simply tolerating it to communicate with idealistic nerds like myself who insist(ed) on using it.

https://xn--gckvb8fzb.com/giving-up-on-element-and-matrixorg/

#Matrix#Element

> European governments in particular seem willing to endure all sorts of digital torture if it means reducing dependency on U.S. big tech. After all, their institutions which have failed over and over to develop own solutions, and that just “recently” (in relative terms) migrated off Windows 😜 and Internet Explorer, yet continue to use Lotus Notes and fax machines, are unlikely to be deterred by sluggish UIs or bizarre permission bugs.

#Matrix#Element

> Between the slow performance, the increasing amount of spam, the miserable web client, and the unfinished state of Element X, the Matrix.org network is not something I am willing to continue to recommend, especially to non-technical users. Normal people are simply tolerating it to communicate with idealistic nerds like myself who insist(ed) on using it.

https://xn--gckvb8fzb.com/giving-up-on-element-and-matrixorg/

#Matrix#Element

@daniel What frustrates me the most about #Matrix is that Vector clusterfucked the client situation themselves. Having a de facto default, "go-to" Matrix client with feature parity across all platforms was one of the biggest strengths. Now we have feature split between two official clients. And the one they promote these days is still an unfinished beta. 🤯 It is absolutely mindboggling how you can screw up this bad.

#Element#ElementX

@md76@mastodon.uno

Non saresti da solo, esattamente come non sei solo nel fediverso.

Incontreresti persone diverse dalle solite, meno conformiste, perché capaci di resistere alla paura di essere diverso o di essere "tagliato fuori" da relezioni spesso frettolose e superficiali (tanto da poter essere definite più "interazioni" che "relazioni").

Perché a ben guardare, chi non si può sbattere a scriverti una mail o contattarti via #Element/ #Matrix o via #XMPP, evidentemente non ha grande interesse a comunicare con te.

E d'altro canto, rinunciando ad uniformarti, apri la strada ad altri che non penseranno più (ad esempio) "su Matrix sarei da solo" ma "su Matrix trovo Marco".

Io non uso né #Telegram#WhatsApp e chi mi vuole trovare può scegliere fra email, Matrix e XMPP. E se vuole chiaccherare in pubblico, anche il #Fediverse tramite alla mia istanza #snac2 da cui ti sto scrivendo. E indovina un po'? Sono vivo è ho una ricca vita sociale.

"Si può fare!" (cit.) 😉

@quinta@mastodon.uno

Just spent 6 hours trying find out and solve why my Matrix instance is showing: {"errcode":"M_NOT_FOUND","error":"Not found"} when trying to access images. I did not notice this problem before, because Matrix/Element caches images locally using blobs, but realized this after uploading images to IRC via heisenbridge.

I first thought I had messed up my S3 Object Storage. Then thought I messed up my filesystem. Then I thought I made a mistake in yaml configs. But it was none of that.

It's a while since I installed my Matrix server and completely forgot on how I set up my S3 Object Storage. It seems it is literally not documented. Like at all. Just like the half of Matrix and Synapse.

I ended up debugging literally anything and everything without any solution. After turning all stones I even asked ChatGPT and it started to run in loops in despair. Finally ended up reading synapse changelog here one bit by bit: https://element-hq.github.io/synapse/latest/upgrade.html#authenticated-media-is-now-enforced-by-default

It seems, I have upgraded in some point. And wow, in between of upgrades the whole thing has broken. I mean it runs without erros, but it's broken. No deprecated warnings in the log, no warnings in release logs. Left a comment here: https://github.com/element-hq/synapse/pull/17889#issuecomment-2564520513

My solution was to add in homeserver.yaml:
enable_authenticated_media: false

What I hate about Matrix is:

- Nothing is documented
- Nothing is explained
- Everything is complicated to set up

Each upgrade and extension is like building and tinkering for hours and hours and hoping for the best.

I don't know why I keep using Matrix. Guess I like being hurt all the time.

#Matrix#Element#MatrixSynapse#SysOps#Servers#API