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@reiver@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 9 months ago

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So, not just Decentralized Social (DeSo), but instead —

Decentralized Social (DeSo), Federated Social (FeSo), Localized Social (LoSo)

The goal is 'social' that is simultaneously — 'Decentralized', 'Federated', and 'Localized', all at the same time.

RE: https://mastodon.social/@reiver/114551725757671167

#ActivityPub #ActivityStreams #Decentralization #DeSo #Federation #FeSo #Fediverse #governance #Localization #LoSo

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@reiver@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 9 months ago

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Federation is the word we use to describe that act of bringing together and connecting these separate Decentralized, Localized communities.

This is where protocols such as ActivityPub, ActivityStreams, etc come into play.

Federation is a voluntary choice.
But, so too is Defederation, if desired.

#ActivityPub #ActivityStreams #Decentralization #DeSo #Federation #FeSo #Fediverse #governance #Localization #LoSo

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@reiver@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 9 months ago

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The message matters, as it can affect the future.

I think we should make a point to ALSO explicitly talk about 'Federation' and 'Localization' when we talk about 'Decentralization'.

Because if we don't, then — it is likely these values will be lost.

(I think we have already started seeing this in some places.)

#Decentralization #DeSo #Federation #FeSo #Fediverse #governance #Localization #LoSo

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@reiver@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 9 months ago

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In some ways it is unfortunate that the word 'Decentralization' has become a short-hand for the three ideas:

Decentralization, Federation, Localization

Some know that all the ideas are important — and that 'Decentralization' is a short-hand for all three.

But, many don't!

#Decentralization #DeSo #Federation #FeSo #Fediverse #governance #Localization #LoSo

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@reiver@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago

An interesting quote from @geerlingguy .

The TL;DR is that — for him to use PeerTube or any other Fediverse alternative to YouTube — he would need to be able to make a living from it.

He is not the only one who has expressed this sentiment.

This is something I have been thinking about and talking a lot about for a while now.

(I know I am not the only one.)

RE: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/self-hosting-your-own-media-considered-harmful

#Fediverse #DeSo #FeSo #LoSo #FediUX #FediverseUX #SpreadFediverse

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Alternatives

I've been slowly uploading my back catalog to my channel on Floatplane, though not all my content is there yet.

Some in the fediverse ask why I'm not on Peertube. Here's the problem (and it's not insurmountable): right now, there's no easy path towards sustainable content production when the audience for the content is 100x smaller, and the number of patrons/sponsors remains proportionally the same.

I was never able to sustain my open source work based on patronage, and content production is the same—just more expensive to maintain to any standard (each video takes between 10-300 hours to produce, and I have a family to feed, and US health insurance companies to fund).

YouTube was, and still is, a creative anomaly. I'm hugely thankful to my Patreon, GitHub, and Floatplane supporters—and I hope to have direct funding fully able to support my work someday. But until that time, YouTube's AdSense revenue and vast reach is a kind of 'golden handcuff.'

The handcuff has been a bit tarnished of late, however, with Google recently adding AI summaries to videos—which seems to indicate maybe Gemini is slurping up my content and using it in their AI models?

Maybe the handcuffs are fools-gold, and I just don't see it yet.
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""" Alternatives I've been slowly uploading my back catalog to my channel on Floatplane, though not all my content is there yet. Some in the fediverse ask why I'm not on Peertube. Here's the problem (and it's not insurmountable): right now, there's no easy path towards sustainable content production when the audience for the content is 100x smaller, and the number of patrons/sponsors remains proportionally the same. I was never able to sustain my open source work based on patronage, and content production is the same—just more expensive to maintain to any standard (each video takes between 10-300 hours to produce, and I have a family to feed, and US health insurance companies to fund). YouTube was, and still is, a creative anomaly. I'm hugely thankful to my Patreon, GitHub, and Floatplane supporters—and I hope to have direct funding fully able to support my work someday. But until that time, YouTube's AdSense revenue and vast reach is a kind of 'golden handcuff.' The handcuff has been a bit tarnished of late, however, with Google recently adding AI summaries to videos—which seems to indicate maybe Gemini is slurping up my content and using it in their AI models? Maybe the handcuffs are fools-gold, and I just don't see it yet. """
""" Alternatives I've been slowly uploading my back catalog to my channel on Floatplane, though not all my content is there yet. Some in the fediverse ask why I'm not on Peertube. Here's the problem (and it's not insurmountable): right now, there's no easy path towards sustainable content production when the audience for the content is 100x smaller, and the number of patrons/sponsors remains proportionally the same. I was never able to sustain my open source work based on patronage, and content production is the same—just more expensive to maintain to any standard (each video takes between 10-300 hours to produce, and I have a family to feed, and US health insurance companies to fund). YouTube was, and still is, a creative anomaly. I'm hugely thankful to my Patreon, GitHub, and Floatplane supporters—and I hope to have direct funding fully able to support my work someday. But until that time, YouTube's AdSense revenue and vast reach is a kind of 'golden handcuff.' The handcuff has been a bit tarnished of late, however, with Google recently adding AI summaries to videos—which seems to indicate maybe Gemini is slurping up my content and using it in their AI models? Maybe the handcuffs are fools-gold, and I just don't see it yet. """

https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/self-hosting-your-own-media-considered-harmful-updated/

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@reiver@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago

An interesting quote from @geerlingguy .

The TL;DR is that — for him to use PeerTube or any other Fediverse alternative to YouTube — he would need to be able to make a living from it.

He is not the only one who has expressed this sentiment.

This is something I have been thinking about and talking a lot about for a while now.

(I know I am not the only one.)

RE: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/self-hosting-your-own-media-considered-harmful

#Fediverse #DeSo #FeSo #LoSo #FediUX #FediverseUX #SpreadFediverse

"""
Alternatives

I've been slowly uploading my back catalog to my channel on Floatplane, though not all my content is there yet.

Some in the fediverse ask why I'm not on Peertube. Here's the problem (and it's not insurmountable): right now, there's no easy path towards sustainable content production when the audience for the content is 100x smaller, and the number of patrons/sponsors remains proportionally the same.

I was never able to sustain my open source work based on patronage, and content production is the same—just more expensive to maintain to any standard (each video takes between 10-300 hours to produce, and I have a family to feed, and US health insurance companies to fund).

YouTube was, and still is, a creative anomaly. I'm hugely thankful to my Patreon, GitHub, and Floatplane supporters—and I hope to have direct funding fully able to support my work someday. But until that time, YouTube's AdSense revenue and vast reach is a kind of 'golden handcuff.'

The handcuff has been a bit tarnished of late, however, with Google recently adding AI summaries to videos—which seems to indicate maybe Gemini is slurping up my content and using it in their AI models?

Maybe the handcuffs are fools-gold, and I just don't see it yet.
"""
""" Alternatives I've been slowly uploading my back catalog to my channel on Floatplane, though not all my content is there yet. Some in the fediverse ask why I'm not on Peertube. Here's the problem (and it's not insurmountable): right now, there's no easy path towards sustainable content production when the audience for the content is 100x smaller, and the number of patrons/sponsors remains proportionally the same. I was never able to sustain my open source work based on patronage, and content production is the same—just more expensive to maintain to any standard (each video takes between 10-300 hours to produce, and I have a family to feed, and US health insurance companies to fund). YouTube was, and still is, a creative anomaly. I'm hugely thankful to my Patreon, GitHub, and Floatplane supporters—and I hope to have direct funding fully able to support my work someday. But until that time, YouTube's AdSense revenue and vast reach is a kind of 'golden handcuff.' The handcuff has been a bit tarnished of late, however, with Google recently adding AI summaries to videos—which seems to indicate maybe Gemini is slurping up my content and using it in their AI models? Maybe the handcuffs are fools-gold, and I just don't see it yet. """
""" Alternatives I've been slowly uploading my back catalog to my channel on Floatplane, though not all my content is there yet. Some in the fediverse ask why I'm not on Peertube. Here's the problem (and it's not insurmountable): right now, there's no easy path towards sustainable content production when the audience for the content is 100x smaller, and the number of patrons/sponsors remains proportionally the same. I was never able to sustain my open source work based on patronage, and content production is the same—just more expensive to maintain to any standard (each video takes between 10-300 hours to produce, and I have a family to feed, and US health insurance companies to fund). YouTube was, and still is, a creative anomaly. I'm hugely thankful to my Patreon, GitHub, and Floatplane supporters—and I hope to have direct funding fully able to support my work someday. But until that time, YouTube's AdSense revenue and vast reach is a kind of 'golden handcuff.' The handcuff has been a bit tarnished of late, however, with Google recently adding AI summaries to videos—which seems to indicate maybe Gemini is slurping up my content and using it in their AI models? Maybe the handcuffs are fools-gold, and I just don't see it yet. """

https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/self-hosting-your-own-media-considered-harmful-updated/

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@reiver@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago

🌐 FediCon is happening August 1st & 2nd in Vancouver 🇨🇦

It is the first ever Fediverse & Social Web conference in Canada.

Want in? Join the early bird list:

https://fedicon.ca

See you there?

#FediCon#Fediverse#OpenSocial#OpenSocialWeb#SocialWeb#DeSo#FeSo#LoSo

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@reiver@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago

🌐 FediCon is happening August 1st & 2nd in Vancouver 🇨🇦

It is the first ever Fediverse & Social Web conference in Canada.

Want in? Join the early bird list:

https://fedicon.ca

See you there?

#FediCon#Fediverse#OpenSocial#OpenSocialWeb#SocialWeb#DeSo#FeSo#LoSo

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@reiver@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago

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GreatApe update №5:

We are looking at adding OpenWebAuth support for logging into GreatApe.

So that people can log into GreatApe using any Fediverse software that supports OpenWebAuth — such as Hubzilla.

. @scott suggested we do this (and him and I are currently discussing it).

#DeSo#GreatApe#Fediverse#FeSo#LoSo#SocialWeb

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@reiver@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago

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GreatApe update №4:

I am working on making the WebSocket API (that @muhammadzaidali and @benyamin0 already created) look more ActivityPub / ActivityStreams like.

For example, sending ActivityPub / ActivityStreams events over the WebSocket.

Although, the WebSocket protocol needs to support a QUERY & QUERY-RESPONSE pattern, too. But, so far, the QUERY-RESPONSE has been a AP / AS Announce of some type of AP / AS 'Object'.

#ActivitySocket#DeSo#GreatApe#Fediverse#FeSo#LoSo#SocialWeb

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@reiver@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago

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GreatApe update №2:

. @muhammadzaidali is doing a major refactor of the GreatApe front-end.

It is something we need to do to make future development of GreatApe better and faster.

(Once he is done, we will have to do a lot of testing to do to make sure everything went OK.)

#DeSo#GreatApe#Fediverse#FeSo#LoSo#SocialWeb

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@reiver@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago

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GreatApe update №3:

. @benyamin0 is working on fixing a UX bug — where everyone who was on the 'stage' gets kicked off of the stage if the host temporarily gets disconnected.

He is going to make it so — even if the host gets disconnected for 60 seconds, the GreatApe conference will continue.

#DeSo#GreatApe#Fediverse#FeSo#LoSo#SocialWeb

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@reiver@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago

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GreatApe update №1:

We have stopped calling what GreatApe does "live public conversations", as some people found that confusing.

We are now calling it a "Conference".

GreatApe has a concept of a 'stage' and an 'audience'. The people on the 'stage' can be seen and heard. The people in the 'audience' cannot (unless they come on the 'stage').

I updated most of the language in the GreatApe front-end to reflect that, but more to-do.

#DeSo#GreatApe#Fediverse#FeSo#LoSo#SocialWeb

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GreatApe update №2:

. @muhammadzaidali is doing a major refactor of the GreatApe front-end.

It is something we need to do to make future development of GreatApe better and faster.

(Once he is done, we will have to do a lot of testing to do to make sure everything went OK.)

#DeSo#GreatApe#Fediverse#FeSo#LoSo#SocialWeb

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@reiver@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago

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GreatApe is a conferencing platform for the Fediverse, and the Social Web — where an audience can listen & watch live, and can be invited to join the speakers on the stage.

Some updates —

#DeSo#GreatApe#Fediverse#FeSo#LoSo#SocialWeb

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@reiver@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago

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GreatApe update №1:

We have stopped calling what GreatApe does "live public conversations", as some people found that confusing.

We are now calling it a "Conference".

GreatApe has a concept of a 'stage' and an 'audience'. The people on the 'stage' can be seen and heard. The people in the 'audience' cannot (unless they come on the 'stage').

I updated most of the language in the GreatApe front-end to reflect that, but more to-do.

#DeSo#GreatApe#Fediverse#FeSo#LoSo#SocialWeb

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@reiver@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago

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GreatApe is a conferencing platform for the Fediverse, and the Social Web — where an audience can listen & watch live, and can be invited to join the speakers on the stage.

Some updates —

#DeSo#GreatApe#Fediverse#FeSo#LoSo#SocialWeb

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@reiver@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 9 months ago

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Federation is the word we use to describe that act of bringing together and connecting these separate Decentralized, Localized communities.

This is where protocols such as ActivityPub, ActivityStreams, etc come into play.

Federation is a voluntary choice.
But, so too is Defederation, if desired.

#ActivityPub #ActivityStreams #Decentralization #DeSo #Federation #FeSo #Fediverse #governance #Localization #LoSo

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@reiver@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 months ago

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So, not just Decentralized Social (DeSo), but instead —

Decentralized Social (DeSo), Federated Social (FeSo), Localized Social (LoSo)

The goal is 'social' that is simultaneously — 'Decentralized', 'Federated', and 'Localized', all at the same time.

RE: https://mastodon.social/@reiver/114551725757671167

#ActivityPub #ActivityStreams #Decentralization #DeSo #Federation #FeSo #Fediverse #governance #Localization #LoSo

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@reiver@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 9 months ago

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Localization is important to make Decentralization work and last.

Decentralization without Localization can be susceptible to Centralization.

Decentralization with Localization spreads out decision-making and power to groups (that could consistent of a single individual) with a personal stake in the outcome of the decision-making.

Which creates incentives that lead to greater resilience to Centralization.

RE: https://mastodon.social/@reiver/114172489045284515

#Decentralization #Federation #Fediverse #Localization

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Federation is the word we use to describe that act of bringing together and connecting these separate Decentralized, Localized communities.

This is where protocols such as ActivityPub, ActivityStreams, etc come into play.

Federation is a voluntary choice.
But, so too is Defederation, if desired.

#ActivityPub #ActivityStreams #Decentralization #DeSo #Federation #FeSo #Fediverse #governance #Localization #LoSo

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@reiver@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 9 months ago

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In some ways it is unfortunate that the word 'Decentralization' has become a short-hand for the three ideas:

Decentralization, Federation, Localization

Some know that all the ideas are important — and that 'Decentralization' is a short-hand for all three.

But, many don't!

#Decentralization #DeSo #Federation #FeSo #Fediverse #governance #Localization #LoSo

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The message matters, as it can affect the future.

I think we should make a point to ALSO explicitly talk about 'Federation' and 'Localization' when we talk about 'Decentralization'.

Because if we don't, then — it is likely these values will be lost.

(I think we have already started seeing this in some places.)

#Decentralization #DeSo #Federation #FeSo #Fediverse #governance #Localization #LoSo

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@reiver@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 9 months ago

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In some ways it is unfortunate that the word 'Decentralization' has become a short-hand for the three ideas:

Decentralization, Federation, Localization

Some know that all the ideas are important — and that 'Decentralization' is a short-hand for all three.

But, many don't!

#Decentralization #DeSo #Federation #FeSo #Fediverse #governance #Localization #LoSo

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