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Bonfire
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More #Geosocial coming..

https://delightful.coding.social/delightful-fediverse-experience/#geosocial-networking

@bonfire request feedback on #UX designs for #Bonfire Geosocial.

https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/please-provide-feedback-on-bonfire-geosocial-ux-designs/5427

The designs may also be inspiring to other devs working on #Geo functionality for the #fediverse and there's opportunity to align approaches for max #interoperability.

People are highly encouraged to start related more general discussion topics on improving protocol support for geosocial-enabled #ActivityPub platforms in the federated forum categories.

"Most modern consumer #messaging platforms...support end-to-end #encryption, but users today are limited to communicating with contacts who use the same platform. This is why Google is strongly supportive of regulatory efforts that require #interoperability" https://security.googleblog.com/2023/07/an-important-step-towards-secure-and.html

More #Geosocial coming..

https://delightful.coding.social/delightful-fediverse-experience/#geosocial-networking

@bonfire request feedback on #UX designs for #Bonfire Geosocial.

https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/please-provide-feedback-on-bonfire-geosocial-ux-designs/5427

The designs may also be inspiring to other devs working on #Geo functionality for the #fediverse and there's opportunity to align approaches for max #interoperability.

People are highly encouraged to start related more general discussion topics on improving protocol support for geosocial-enabled #ActivityPub platforms in the federated forum categories.

Tim Chambers
Cory Doctorow
Tim Chambers and 1 other boosted

Looking forward v much to our discussion this morning at the UK's Competition & Markets Authority on #interoperability: lessons (for the #DMCCA) from #telecoms regulation!

Tim Cowen (Preiskell & Co.) and Prof. @chrismarsden.bsky.social are both world authorities on this topic ๐Ÿ‘€ And we have a surprise guest to talk about payments & water regulation lessons!

Here are my background slides https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SBE2-MOzPn5wvsL7XhYqfmGEbJ7W1FvV6frq5VeXlL8/edit?usp=sharing

#Threads "reached 100m sign-ups faster than any other app in history, which you can partly attribute to its linkage to #Instagram and streamlined profile creation via your IG info. But even so, itโ€™ll go down as a record either way, while Threads also reached 100m active users in just a few months." #interoperability#DMA#DMCCA#Meta#SelfPreferencing

From: @tchambers
https://indieweb.social/@tchambers/114811908883686443

#Threads "reached 100m sign-ups faster than any other app in history, which you can partly attribute to its linkage to #Instagram and streamlined profile creation via your IG info. But even so, itโ€™ll go down as a record either way, while Threads also reached 100m active users in just a few months." #interoperability#DMA#DMCCA#Meta#SelfPreferencing

From: @tchambers
https://indieweb.social/@tchambers/114811908883686443

Looking forward v much to our discussion this morning at the UK's Competition & Markets Authority on #interoperability: lessons (for the #DMCCA) from #telecoms regulation!

Tim Cowen (Preiskell & Co.) and Prof. @chrismarsden.bsky.social are both world authorities on this topic ๐Ÿ‘€ And we have a surprise guest to talk about payments & water regulation lessons!

Here are my background slides https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SBE2-MOzPn5wvsL7XhYqfmGEbJ7W1FvV6frq5VeXlL8/edit?usp=sharing

#Meta announces at its #DMA #compliance workshop it is working closely with another company which wants to launch the first interoperable messaging service with #WhatsApp ๐Ÿฅณ

Less positively, Meta is rejecting #interoperability requests from non-messaging services, and business-focused services ๐Ÿคจ

I don't find #Meta's claims that other companies just don't want #interoperability very convincing ๐Ÿ™„

But until @EUCommission designates OTHER gatekeeper #NIICS, it is unsurprising #Meta will push back at every opportunity, since the firm cannot take advantage of any OTHER #gatekeeper offer #DMA

Thank you @EUCommission for committing (at the end of today's #compliance workshop) to further explore the geolocalisation obstacles #Meta is imposing on #DMA #interoperability for #NIICS! And good work @Amandine for raising the problem so clearly ๐Ÿ‘

Screenshot of Ian Brown's questions in the online Q&A (Slido):

* Does the Commission accept this restrictive Meta interpretation? GDPR, for example, explicitly applies to data controllers OUTSIDE the EU offering services within the EU, or monitoring the behaviour of EU residents 

* Don't the EDPS, EDPB, and other members of the DMA high-level panel have something to say that the Commission thinks Matrix and others being forced by Meta to geolocate all their users is trivial/unproblematic?! 

* I thought BEREC clearly said (i ts review of the original Meta reference offer) that a separate inbox for third-party chats was not acceptable? 

* Given how the geolocalisation DMA interpretation of Meta is causing such damage to fair and contestable NIICS, will the EC open an investigation and then take action to remove this obstacle?
Screenshot of Ian Brown's questions in the online Q&A (Slido): * Does the Commission accept this restrictive Meta interpretation? GDPR, for example, explicitly applies to data controllers OUTSIDE the EU offering services within the EU, or monitoring the behaviour of EU residents * Don't the EDPS, EDPB, and other members of the DMA high-level panel have something to say that the Commission thinks Matrix and others being forced by Meta to geolocate all their users is trivial/unproblematic?! * I thought BEREC clearly said (i ts review of the original Meta reference offer) that a separate inbox for third-party chats was not acceptable? * Given how the geolocalisation DMA interpretation of Meta is causing such damage to fair and contestable NIICS, will the EC open an investigation and then take action to remove this obstacle?

Thank you @EUCommission for committing (at the end of today's #compliance workshop) to further explore the geolocalisation obstacles #Meta is imposing on #DMA #interoperability for #NIICS! And good work @Amandine for raising the problem so clearly ๐Ÿ‘

Screenshot of Ian Brown's questions in the online Q&A (Slido):

* Does the Commission accept this restrictive Meta interpretation? GDPR, for example, explicitly applies to data controllers OUTSIDE the EU offering services within the EU, or monitoring the behaviour of EU residents 

* Don't the EDPS, EDPB, and other members of the DMA high-level panel have something to say that the Commission thinks Matrix and others being forced by Meta to geolocate all their users is trivial/unproblematic?! 

* I thought BEREC clearly said (i ts review of the original Meta reference offer) that a separate inbox for third-party chats was not acceptable? 

* Given how the geolocalisation DMA interpretation of Meta is causing such damage to fair and contestable NIICS, will the EC open an investigation and then take action to remove this obstacle?
Screenshot of Ian Brown's questions in the online Q&A (Slido): * Does the Commission accept this restrictive Meta interpretation? GDPR, for example, explicitly applies to data controllers OUTSIDE the EU offering services within the EU, or monitoring the behaviour of EU residents * Don't the EDPS, EDPB, and other members of the DMA high-level panel have something to say that the Commission thinks Matrix and others being forced by Meta to geolocate all their users is trivial/unproblematic?! * I thought BEREC clearly said (i ts review of the original Meta reference offer) that a separate inbox for third-party chats was not acceptable? * Given how the geolocalisation DMA interpretation of Meta is causing such damage to fair and contestable NIICS, will the EC open an investigation and then take action to remove this obstacle?
#Meta announces at its #DMA #compliance workshop it is working closely with another company which wants to launch the first interoperable messaging service with #WhatsApp ๐Ÿฅณ

Less positively, Meta is rejecting #interoperability requests from non-messaging services, and business-focused services ๐Ÿคจ

@mamund thank you. I will also give the linked article on agentic systems a read.

Note that #ActivityPub here on the #fediverse has this need to discover and introspect the capabilities of actor endpoints on the network.

This entirely missing. With #ActivityStreams#LinkedData endlessly versatile, a player on the fediverse can freely invent their own flavours on-the-fly, introducing protocol decay and makes #interoperability harder.

Whack-a-mole driven development to moving targets ensues.

@steve @drahardja @dfyx

I'd say post-facto interop covers the load..

> Post facto [is] the absolute market dominance of a particular product in contravention of any applicable standards [..]. The vendor behind that product can then choose to ignore any forthcoming standards and not co-operate in any standardization process at all, using its near-monopoly to insist that its product sets the de facto standard by its very market dominance.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interope

@steve @drahardja @dfyx

I'd say post-facto interop covers the load..

> Post facto [is] the absolute market dominance of a particular product in contravention of any applicable standards [..]. The vendor behind that product can then choose to ignore any forthcoming standards and not co-operate in any standardization process at all, using its near-monopoly to insist that its product sets the de facto standard by its very market dominance.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interope

Live from the #fediverseโ€ฆ has the #DMA failed? So far, lackadaisical policing by @filomenac.bsky.social and friends means Article 7's very hard fought #interoperability provisions are going nowhere fast ๐Ÿ˜ญ

PS Shame the @ec.europa.eu doesn't have much of a presence on #Mastodon ๐Ÿง